Sunday, July 29, 2012

-22/23- Mostalah Hadeeth Class by Abu Abdullah




One of the goals of our study
-is that you be able to speak and defend your religion
-based on ilm

I have been giving advice to some people for the past years
-with regards to some hadith
-that people ask me
-and the reason they ask about the hadith
-is because they heard it from a Christian or a Shia

Qur'an is very strong
-and it is very difficult to attack it
-but because hadith may include weak ones or even lies
-then they have points to come through
-either through the understanding of the hadith
-or through misunderstanding it
-or through it being a total lie

There is one hadith which translate into;
-every human being is pricked by shaytan at birth except for Maryam and her son
-this hadith is sahih, there is no problem with it
-so then a Christian will tell you if the hadith is so
-then Jesus and her mother are the best of men
-this is a problem through the understanding of the hadith

Narrated by Said bin Al-Musaiyab: Abu Huraira said, "I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'there is none born among the off-spring of Adam, but Satan touches it. A child therefore, cries loudly at the time of birth because of the touch of Satan, except Mary and her child." Then Abu Huraira recited: "And I seek refuge with You for her and for her offspring from the outcast Satan" (3.36) [Sahih Bukhari, Vol 4, Hadith #641]

On the face of it, the hadith is true
-but to use it to say that Jesus is god, then his mother must be god too
-because the hadith said Mary and her son
-the hadith cannot be used against Islam the way they want to use it
-unless they want to say Mary is also god
-they have not understood the hadith

The real understanding of the hadith is because of the da’wah Jesus’s Grandmother made
-the mother of Maryam gave away whatever was in her womb
-and its offspring
-to Allah, and seek Allah's protection for them from shaytan
-and as a consequence Allah protected Maryam and her offspring
-from the pricking of shaytan
-In surah 3:35

(Remember) when the wife of 'Imrān said: "O my Lord! I have vowed to You what (the child that) is in my womb to be dedicated for Your services (free from all worldly work; to serve Your Place of worship), so accept this, from me. Verily, You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knowing." (Aali Imran 3:35)

Then when she delivered her [child Maryam (Mary)], she said: "O my Lord! I have delivered a female child," - and Allāh knew better what she delivered, - "And the male is not like the female, and I have named her Maryam (Mary), and I seek refuge with You (Allāh) for her and for her offspring from Shaitan (Satan), the outcast." (Aali Imran 3:36)

But this does not mean that Maryam and Eesa are better than everybody
-so the problem comes from the understanding of the hadith
-the problem may also come from misunderstanding a hadith e.g.

A sahabi was adopted by another sahabi when he was young
-and when he became old, the foster father became jealous that
-the foster son is seeing his wife uncovered
-so the foster father told rasul (saw) about it
-so the prophet told him tell her to breastfeed him
-and if she does that then she will be her mother by breastfeeding
-and then he can enter her house

'Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hadhaifa, lived with him and his family in their house. She (i.e. the daughter of Suhail came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said: Salim has attained (puberty) as men attain, and he understands what they understand, and he enters our house freely, I, however, perceive that something (rankles) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said to her: Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the rankling) which Abu Hudhaifa feels in his heart will disappear. She returned and said: So I suckled him, and what (was there) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa disappeared.
[Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Hadith #3425]

The method of breastfeeding does not mean suckling from the breast
-it can be from a bottle
-so until now we don’t have a problem
-whether the hadith is authentic or not

The problem is that the Shia and the Christians said that Aisha who narrated the hadith
-used to breastfeed grown up men
-in an attempt to slander her name
-but Aisha never had a child and was never pregnant
-so how can she have milk when she was never pregnant
-so these donkeys don’t have understanding
-through misunderstanding, they make problems
-whether the hadith is authentic or not is a different matter
-the problem is their deduction that Aisha breastfed grown up men

They don’t understand Aisha is called Mother of the believers in Qur'an

The Prophet is closer to the believers than their own selves, and his wives are their (believers') mothers (as regards respect and marriage). (Al¬Lauh Al¬Mahfuz)." (Al-Ahzab 33:6)

-so she is my mother whether i like it or not
-whether she breastfed me or not
-and those donkeys need acid to clean their heads
-she is our mother whether you like it or not, you donkey

She was never ever pregnant, so how could she have breast milk you donkey
-but she is my mother according to Qur'an
-whether she breastfed me or not
-and they don’t understand that it is haram for any man to marry the prophet's wives
-they are for only one man, the prophet (saw)

So through misunderstanding, they have problems

-and through understanding too they make problems
-and sometimes they talk about hadeeth that are lies
-totally manufactured
-and one of those hadith is the one we will talk about today

The hadeeth we will talk about today

-is the hadeeth of asabiyya (racism, tribalism, nationalism)
-the hadeeth is in musnad Ahmad 21271
-it is talking about jaahiliyyah

21271 - حدثنا عبد الله حدثني أبي ثنا محمد بن جعفر ثنا عوف عن الحسن عن عتي بن ضمرة عن أبي بن كعب : ان رجلا اعتزى بعزاء الجاهلية فأعضه ولم يكنه فنظر القوم إليه فقال للقوم انى قد أرى الذي في أنفسكم انى لم أستطع الا ان أقول هذا ان رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم أمرنا إذا سمعتم من يعتزى بعزاء الجاهلية فأعضوه ولا تكنوا

A lot of you are from UK and the people from London may say they are better
-than those from Newcastle
-once you become Muslim this does not occur
-during the time of the rasul people used to say i am from this clan and it is better
-this is the practice of jaahiliyyah
-and this happens before we learn the truth
-but once we learn the truth
-anything we have been practicing before Islam
-becomes jaahiliyyah

So if somebody says i am from this clan and boasting about it
-then you are in deep trouble
-the rasul (saw) said, if somebody does that
-force him to bite his father's organ
-this hadeeth is sahih
-and another example of hadeeth that can’t be understood
-we will talk about that later

Let's assume the hadeeth is sahih

-but we have a problem
-Allah said in surah 69:4

And verily, you (O Muhammad SAW) are on an exalted standard of character. (Al-Qalam 68:4)

-that the rasul has best character
-so how can this man say these kinds of words
-so we need to understand before making a verdict
-but if you are a donkey and can’t understand, don’t make verdicts
-it’s like someone going to a football field and seeing 22 players playing
-so he says why not they make the balls 2 since 22 people are playing
-he does not understand that it is the rule of the game to have 1 ball

This word in the time of the prophet was not a foul word
-it was accepted
-it was actually common
-and it did not mean that literally because some people's fathers will be dead
-so where will they find their fathers’ to make the punishment

So the prophet wanted to say make them wish they were not born

-that their father was impotent
-because if you bite at his organ how would you have been born
-so that is one way of looking at it
-that it was not a foul word during his time

Let's take some benefits from our hadeeth

-the hadeeth goes like this in sanad

Imam Nassaa’i>Mohammad Ibn Abd El Aala>Khalid>Auf>Al Hassan>Ali Ibn Dhamra

The first one heard it from the name after him and so on
-until it reaches the sahabi
-Ubaid Ibn Ka’ab

We are not going to talk about Imam Nassaa'i and Ubaid ibn Ka'ab

-so we will look at those in the middle
-are these people good and authentic
-we will ask the 2 people that we always resort to

We go to ibn Hajar’s Tahdheeb and ask him what do you think of the first name?
-he will say he is trusted
-and so will Dhahabi in his al Kashif
-so we will look at his shaikhs’ names
-one of them is Khalid, may be you have 3 Khalids
-which one of the Khalid’s shaikh is called Auf

There is only one shaikh of this man whose name is Khalid

-and whose shaikh is called Auf
-so we are now in the year 280H
-so we ask ibn Hajar what he thinks about this shaikh Khalid
-he will say he is trusted
-and Dhahabi will say this man is the best in Basra

Next we go to the 2nd man, Auf ibn Abi Jamila

-ibn Hajar will say he is good but he was accused of being Shia
-so we don’t accept his hadith when it has to do with Ali
-and then we ask Dhahabi
-he will say he is trusted

So we look at who is above him who is Al Hassan
-and this man is the famous Hassan Al Basri
-this man is the shield of Sunnah
-so you don’t ask if he is trusted or not

Next above him is a man called Ali ibn Dhamra
-there is a problem with the name here
-actually there is a miswriting here
-his real name is Ateiya ibn Dhamra but in Nassaa’i it is Ali
-ibn Hajar said he is trusted but Dhahabi did not mention his name
-but at least one imam mentioned him
-so he is trusted
-and the sanad goes like this again

Nassai - Mohammad - Khalid - Auf - Hassan - Ali – Ubaid

-we removed the first and last name so we have 4 men left

xxxx - Mohammad - Khaled - Auf - Hassan - Ali - xxxx

Are they trusted? Yes they are
-we removed the last because he is sahabi and Allah veted them
-and if you don’t trust the 1st man who wrote the book
-just throw the book, there is no point
-just like I will do to the book of any Shia

Now the trouble is the 4 men in the middle
-and apparently from the books they are trusted
-the next bit is the most important

xxxx - Mohammad - Khalid - Auf - Hassan - Ali - xxxx

Nassaa’i heard it from a man older than him

-so how did the information come
-from Khalid to Muhammad and so on
-this is the biggest problem
-how did the hadith pass through generations

In the hadeeth Nassaa'i said 'we were told' by Muhammad
-it is a strong form of transport
-because he said we were told not I was told
-meaning other people must have this hadith
-so it is very strong form of transportation
-he was not given ijaza but it is strong
-it is not the same as 'by way of'

It's like when i come to the room
-and i was absent from the lecture and ask AT12 to tell me what happened
-and AT12 gave me a rough idea of what the shaikh said
-but i still don’t trust AT12 because I was not in the lecture
-and even if AT12 is trusted i should say by way of AT12 not Shaikh Faisal told me
-I can never say Shaikh Faisal told me

The second man Muhammad said we were given ijaza to narrate from Khalid
-this is the strongest form
-it means he attended the lectures from a halaqah

Khalid said we were given Ijaza to narrate from Auf

-so from Khalid to Auf is continuous

From Auf to Hassan the transport is by way of


When Auf said by way of Hassan
-I start to hear warnings

Hassan is saying by way of Ali
-i start to get warnings also
-we start to have red signals because why did he not say how he heard it
-may be he was afraid to say who told him
-and if these ulama say by of w/out the name we are careful
-because instead of lying they say by way of

Do the ulama like to lie? No, they never lie
-so why would he say by way of
-why not i heard it from
-the answer is because he is not sure
-if he was he would have said the name

The alim is not giving you a lie, so why did he not just leave it out
-the answer is, he is now giving you information that he heard
-but is not sure about, he is just telling you
-i myself will sometimes say my shaikh said so and so
-but i am not sure it is true
-if my shaikh said it was heard from the prophet,
-i will tell you i heard my shaikh saying so but i am not sure
-because he is talking about the prophet
-and if you are not sure keep it to yourself

If the shaikh is talking about himself i accept
-but if he is saying the prophet said and not sure
-i can’t be sure myself and i have to say i heard from my shaikh

So we have a major problem between Hassan and Ali ibn Dhamra
-so we go to the books and check
-if Hassan says 3an in any hadith what do we do?
-Imam Dhahabi said if Hassan says (3an) then don't take his word
-same goes for Zahry (Zuhari)
-reason: they are super memorizers, why can't they remember where they got it from?

But in the end the wording is good

-and it is not going to take you out of Islam
-and not going to make the sun come out from the west
-it does not change anything
-the ulama don’t like this kind of thing but we accept it

Is the hadeeth authentic? No, because Hassan said 3an
-but the ulama said the wording is good

The hadith is reported by Ubay b. Kaab in Musnad Ahmad (Volume 5, Page 136,Hadith No.21271, 21272, 21274) and graded Hasan by Shaykh Shu'ayb al-Arna'ut. It is also in a-Adab al-Mufrid (Book on the Manners of meeting, Chapter 4, hadith no. 501) Sahih ibn Hibban, Volume 7, page 424, Hadith No. 3153. al-Mujam al-Kabir, Hadith No. 532. Sunan an-Nisa'i al-Kubra, Volume 6, page 242, Hadith No. 10810, 10811, 10812.

-if you are proud of your clan you should be reminded of where you came from
-that you came from a drop of semen
-and was in the ugliest of places

If hadith is hujjah but you don’t divorce a woman because of it
-this is a hadeeth you won’t like to be sahih
-if a Christian should say this hadith to me
-i will not have any problem saying it is not sahih

Islam is the only thing you should be proud of
-next class we will talk about another hadeeth about jihad
-it is a hadith that all of you will like to be true
-and even the non-muslims are proud of the people that fight for them
-your army is your pride
-but we will look at the sanad and see if it is sahih


-this person is thinking i am an alim
-the answer is, you don’t ask me about shaikh Faisal
-but ask shaikh Faisal if i am good, I am his student
-there is nobody to do Jarh Ta’deel in our time
-like Ahmad, ibn Maeen, Jawzajaani
-they were the people that did this
-because we were talking about the pearls of the prophet
-and they were so invaluable
-so you had to ask if the person is truthful or not

But now we don’t have hadith in the first place
-we have taqwa, fiqh
-and shaikh Faisal is a faqii so ask him about me
-but at the end of the day, it is not going to change anything

The only man i have seen best at Arabic language is shaikh Ahmed Keshki
-he was extremely rich in knowledge
-he used to give his sermons on Fridays and 20,000 people used to listen to him
-he was financially poor and was prosecuted by the Egyptian presidents
-may Allah punish them,
-they have denied us from having him
-but he was rich in knowledge

He was always making dua to Allah to die in sujud
-because he was blind and knew that if you are blind in dunya
-you will see Allah in aakhira
-and it happened that he died in sujud while fasting on a Friday
-and insha Allah he will see Allah's Face in qiyaama

QUESTION 2: From hadith we often see these figures come up, 7, 70 & 700. I think also from Quran we can see similar figures, but what does it mean exactly? Is it a type of ingredient of creation that is not understood? I’m trying to understand the reasoning behind the numbers. (Example like..... 7 heavens)


-if it is in Qur'an the meaning is explicit
-like in surah 2:29

He it is Who created for you all that is on earth. Then He Istawa (rose over) towards the heaven and made them seven heavens and He is the All-Knower of everything. (Al-Baqarah 2:29)

-and in other places like saum and hajj
-it's exactly like Allah said that's why it came as Sabaa

The likeness of those who spend their wealth in the Way of Allah, is as the likeness of a grain (of corn); it grows seven ears, and each ear has a hundred grains. Allah gives manifold increase to whom He pleases. And Allah is All-Sufficient for His creatures' needs, All-Knower. (Al-Baqarah 2:261)

-in other instances 70 or 7 is mentioned to show you it is many
-but not the number itself
-like in surah 9:80

Whether you (O Muhammad SAW) ask forgiveness for them (hypocrites) or ask not forgiveness for them … (and even) if you ask seventy times for their forgiveness … Allah will not forgive them, because they have disbelieved in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW). And Allah guides not those people who are Fasiqun (rebellious, disobedient to Allah). (At-Tawbah 9:80)

-it does not mean if the prophet does it 70 times Allah will forgive them
-so sometimes it means 7 heavens, 7 skies as it is
-but sometimes it means it does not matter how many times, it won’t happen
-like the 70 in surah Taubah

Sometimes it shows us it is many
-sometimes it’s just a number that happens to be in a dream, like in surah Yusuf

And the king (of Egypt) said: "Verily, I saw (in a dream) seven fat cows, whom seven lean ones were devouring - and of seven green ears of corn and (seven) others dry. O notables! Explain to me my dream, if it be that you can interpret dreams." (Yusuf 12:43)

-why it is 7 Allahu A3lam
-sometimes it is precise like in the ayah below

"It (Hell) has seven gates, for each of those gates is a (special) class (of sinners) assigned. (Al-Hijr 15:44)

Sometimes it is just a number that is exact like in surah Luqman
-it does not mean there are 7 seas
-it just means it is too much

And if all the trees on the earth were pens and the sea (were ink wherewith to write), with seven seas behind it to add to its (supply), yet the Words of Allah would not be exhausted. Verily, Allah is All¬ Mighty, All¬ Wise. (Luqman 31:27)

Sometimes it is so straightforward like in the ayah below

Which Allah imposed on them for seven nights and eight days in succession, so that you could see men lying overthrown (destroyed), as if they were hollow trunks of date-palms! (Al-Haqqah 69:7)

Sometimes it is to show it is big like in the ayah below
-the chains seventy cubits
-this is showing you it is big

It does not make a difference if Allah punishes them once or more
-Allah is showing you how hard the punishment is going to be
-not the exact number as given in the ayah

"Seize him and fetter him, (Al-Haqqah 69:30)

Then throw him in the blazing Fire. (Al-Haqqah 69:31)

"Then fasten him with a chain whereof the length is seventy cubits!" (Al-Haqqah 69:32)

Verily, He used not to believe in Allah, the Most Great, (Al-Haqqah 69:33)

And urged not on the feeding of Al¬ Miskin (the poor), (Al-Haqqah 69:34)