Monday, October 1, 2012

-356- Refuting the Lie Concerning the Excuse of Ignorance

by Shaikh Abdullah Faisal
07.07.2012 (Evening Dars)


NOTES typed LIVE by AT-42, AT-10 and Abdul Malik_4
Edited and Formatted by AT-5 and Maryamashlie


There is a concept floating around that a Mushrik can be a Muslim,
- because “we give him the excuse of ignorance”
- this is something that when you are self-taught, you fall into
- when you are a murjia you fall into this
- this is the creed of the Saudi Salafis
- those who preach this, ‘you can give the Mushrik the excuse of ignorance’, this is zandaqa
- do not entertain the idea that a Mushrik can become a Muslim

There are many evidences against those who claim:
- “you can give the excuse of ignorance to a Mushrik”
- there are some evidences these deviant sects will use
- when giving the excuse of ignorance to a Mushrik
- their aqeedah is; you cannot make takfir before hujjah
- see surah 33:66

On the Day when their faces will be turned over in the Fire, they will say: "Oh, would that we had obeyed Allah and obeyed the Messenger (Muhammad SAW)." (Al-Ahzab 33:66)

And they will say: "Our Lord! Verily, we obeyed our chiefs and our great ones, and they misled us from the (Right) Way. (Al-Ahzab 33:67)

Our Lord! give them double torment and curse them with a mighty curse!" (Al-Ahzab 33:68)

- why did Shaikh bring this ayah?
- because some of you follow a wicked scholar
- and think you will be exempt from the punishment of Allah on the day of judgment
- but these ayah’s tell us otherwise
- see surah 2:166-167:

When those who were followed, disown (declare themselves innocent of) those who followed (them), and they see the torment, then all their relations will be cut off from them. (Al-Baqarah 2:166)

And those who followed will say: "If only we had one more chance to return (to the worldly life), we would disown (declare ourselves as innocent from) them as they have disowned (declared themselves as innocent from) us." Thus Allah will show them their deeds as regrets for them. And they will never get out of the Fire. (Al-Baqarah 2:167)

- this ayah is another proof
- for those wicked scholars and their students who will be dumped into the hellfire
- ignorance is NOT AN EXCUSE
- see surah 37:31-34:

"So now the Word of our Lord has been justified against us, that we shall certainly (have to) taste (the torment). (As-Saffat 37:31)

"So we led you astray because we were ourselves astray." (As-Saffat 37:32)

Then verily, that Day, they will (all) share in the torment. (As-Saffat 37:33)

Certainly, that is how We deal with Al Mujrimun (polytheists, sinners, criminals, the disobedient to Allah, etc.). (As-Saffat 37:34)

- this ayah is for the kaafir aslee (the original kaafir)
- and also for the Muslim who went astray
- there are people out there who say:
- “if a man follows a false deity you cannot make takfeer on him”
- see surah 98:1

Those who disbelieve from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and among Al-Mushrikun, were not going to leave (their disbelief) until there came to them clear evidence. (Al-Baiyinah 98:1)

- this is a creed of many people, and some people tried to spread this creed in this room
- Allah said: The people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and among Al-Mushrikun,
- were not going to leave (their disbelief) until there came to them clear evidence.
- Allah pronounced the Jews and Christians Mushrikeen
- before the hujjah was presented to them
- since you claim you follow Ibn Taymiyyah, let’s take a look at the fatwa:

Ibn Taymiyyah said: “As regards legal terms and rulings, Allah separated between some of them and united some of them concerning what was before the Risaalah (before the receiving of the Message) and that which was after it. Therefore, the term Mushrik is applied to a person before he receives the message and (before a Prophet comes to him) because he is already worshipping something besides Allah and equalizing something with Him and taking for worship gods other than Him. So these terms exist before the coming of a Prophet just like the term Jahl and Jaahiliyyah. The terms Jaahiliyyah and Jaahil are used even before the arrival of a Prophet but there exists no punishment for the Jaahil.” [Fatawa, (20/37)]

- the term Mushrik is applied to a person before the hujjah is presented
- these terms exist before an arrival of a prophet
- surah 98 is the evidence
- so those of you who claim such things, your aqeedah is wrong,
- it contradicts Qur’an and Sunnah including the classical scholars such as Ibn Taymiyyah
- you have made up your own religion

- those who say you are not allowed to make tafeer
- on those who haven’t had hujjah given to them, (i.e. a Mushrik)
- we say “where is your evidence”?
- they will say to you, when Umar was the caliph, when a women slept with a servant boy,
- Umar wanted to punish her, he realised she was ignorant
- and though the servant was 'meant to be her right hand possess'
- Umar gave her the excuse of ignorance
- this is zina, not shirk, there is a difference

On the authority of Qataada who said: “A woman slept with her male servant and cited an ayah of the Holy Qur'an as her evidence for her action. ‘…or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess…’ (An-Nur 24:31). This woman was brought to Umar ibn al-Khattab (RA) by a group of Sahabas who complained to Umar that she misinterpreted a verse from the Holy Qur’an and slept with her male servant. Umar commanded that the male servant should be sent away for a year and he was beheaded. He then said to the woman you are now haram for all Muslims.” [Tafseer al-Tabari (9/586) No. 11277]

- why are you bringing a story about a lady committing adultery, and not shirk?
- committing zina is not kufr akbar (shirk akbar), so their evidence is inadmissible

- when you ask these people
- “where is your hujjah for you to say; ‘give the excuse of ignorance to a Mushrik’”
- they give the story of Umar and the jahil women who committed adultery
- we didn’t ask you about zina, we asked you about shirk
- stick to the topic, do you think we are brain dead?
- or they try to bring you another evidence
- they also bring up the story, about certain Muslims drinking alcohol
- during the time of Umar and Umar didn’t punish them

One night, while Umar Ibn al-Khattab was patrolling in Medina, he heard a man singing in his house. He climbed the wall of the man’s house. He found that there was a woman with him and a bottle of wine. He said to the man: “O enemy of Allah, have you thought that Allah protects you while you are disobeying Him?” The man said: “O Ameerul Mu’mineen, do not hasten! If I have committed one sin, you have committed three sins; Allah has said: (do not spy) but you have spied, and He has said: (and go into the houses by their doors) but you have climbed the wall and He has said: (when you enter houses, greet each other) but you have not greeted us.” Umar said: “Would you do me good if I forgive you?” The man said: “Yes, I would.” Then Umar forgave him and went out. [lil-Khara'iti (d. 327 H) in 'Makarim al-Akhlaq' (1/152) No. 448, Kanz al-Ummal (3/808) No. 8827]

- again we asked you about shirk, and you talk about alcohol
- this is deception, and the reason why
- is because you have no evidence in what you preach to the Muslims
- they also say the grave is not an idol
- Buddha, Rama and Sita etc they are idols,
- “but a grave is not, so we give them the excuse of ignorance,” this is what they say
- the prophet (SAW) said a grave is an idol

Yahya related to me from Malik from Zayd ibn Aslam from Ata ibn Yasar that the Messenger of Allah (SAW) said,
اللهم لا تجعل قبري وثنا يعبد، اشتد غضب الله على قوم اتخذوا قبور أنبيائهم مساجد
"O Allah! Do not make my grave an idol that is worshipped. The anger on those who took the graves of their Prophets as places of prostration was terrible." [Muwatta Malik (1/223) No. 570, Musannaf Abdur Razzaq (1/406) No. 1587, Musnad Ahmad (2/246) No. 7352]

- these people are deceptive, the prophet said a grave is an idol and they say other wise
- another hujjah is 35:14

If you invoke (or call upon) them, they hear not your call, and if (in case) they were to hear, they could not grant it (your request) to you. And on the Day of Resurrection, they will disown your worshipping them. And none can inform you (O Muhammad SAW) like Him Who is the All Knower (of each and everything)[]. (Fatir 35:14)

- these people do not hesitate to contradict Qur’an and Sunnah
- Allah said in the Qur’an it is worship and you say it’s not
- why? Do you know more than Allah?
- some of you claimed that Ibn Taymiyyah gave the excuse of ignorance
- to those who worshipped the graves
- people always make false assumptions on the scholars

He also says regarding some of the tasawwuf groups which fall into Shirk: “Some of them said: We are taking repentance from people. I said: What are you taking repentance from? They said: Knock over, thievery etc. I said: Their state before you take their repentance is better than their state after you took their repentance. Without doubt they are Fasiq who believe that the state they are in is Haraam. They ask forgiveness of Allah, they repent to Him or they incline to. But with taking repentance from them, you made them deviated Mushrik and individuals who went out of the fold of Islam.” [Fatawa, (11/472)]

- Ibn Taymiyyah said they have left the fold of Islam
- Ibn Taymiyyah did make takfeer on the grave worshippers
- without establishing the hujjah, unlike their deceptive beliefs
- so why are you saying Ibn Taymiyyah never made takfeer
- Allah said in surah 7:172:

And (remember) when your Lord brought forth from the Children of Adam, from their loins, their seed (or from Adam's loin his offspring) and made them testify as to themselves (saying): "Am I not your Lord?" They said: "Yes! We testify," lest you should say on the Day of Resurrection: "Verily, we have been unaware of this." (Al-A'raf 7:172)

- Allah took away the excuse of ignorance to those who worship a false deity
- see surah 7:172, you are trying to veto Allah
- the top student of Ibn Taymiyyah was Ibn Qayyim al Jawziyah
- Ibn Qayyim the top student of Ibn Taymiah says:

Ibn Qayyim narrated from Abul Wafa and said: “I saw Abul Wafa wrote a nice passage, I am quoting verbatim (word for word) from him: When the rulings of Shari'ah become hard to some ignorant and laymen, they incline to the rules which they set up themselves while leaving these rulings (of Shari'ah). Thus they made it easier for themselves. It is because with this they had not entered anyone’s command. With these rules; revering the graves, offering to them, asking for needs to the one in the grave, writing a note and asking to do this and that… with such rulings they are Kafir in my presence.” [Ighasatu’l Lahafan (pg. 221)]

- Ibn Qayyim makes takfeer on grave worshippers, there is no excuse for ignorance for them
- when we ask them for hujjah; ‘if a Mushrik can be Muslim,’ they cannot provide it

Narrated from Anas (RA) that a man said: “O Messenger of Allah, where is my father?” He said: “In Hell.” When he turned away he called him back and said: “My father and your father are in Hell.” [Sahih Muslim (Vol. 1, pg. 191) No. 203]

how can you refute this hadith?
- the prophets father didn’t hear the message of Islam and died worshipping false deities.
- so a MUSHRIK cannot be a MUSLIM, shirk negates Islam.
- bring your sheikhs, so we can debate their deceptive beliefs
- Allah speaks of people like these in Surah Qalam

Shall We then treat the (submitting) Muslims like the Mujrimun (criminals, polytheists and disbelievers, etc.)? (Al-Qalam 68:35)

What is the matter with you? How judge you? (Al-Qalam 68:36)

- how can you say a Mushrik is same as a Muslim?
- the prophets father left the teachings of Ibraheem and Ismail (AS)
- and followed the teachings of 'Amr bin Luhai
- 'Amr bin Luhai brought hubal (false deity) to Makkah
- your aql and fitrah (natural disposition) is hujjah
- evidence that your aql is hujjah, see Surah Mulk 67:10

And they will say: "Had we but listened or used our intelligence, we would not have been among the dwellers of the blazing Fire!" (Al-Mulk 67:10)

- Surah 30:30 is proof that our fitrah is hujjah, against shirk

So set you (O Muhammad SAW) your face towards the religion of pure Islamic Monotheism Hanifa (worship none but Allah Alone) Allah's Fitrah (i.e. Allah's Islamic Monotheism), with which He has created mankind. No change let there be in Khalq illah (i.e. the Religion of Allah Islamic Monotheism), that is the straight religion, but most of men know not (Ar-Rum 30:30)

- Allah has made mankind on natural disposition (fitrah)
- which recognizes Tawheed and all its branches
- aql and hujjah both tell you tawheed

"...Suhail said to the Prophet "Please conclude a peace treaty with us." So, the Prophet called the clerk and said to him, "Write: بِسْمِ اللهِ الرَّحْمَنِ الرَّحِيمِ 'Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Raheem' (In the Name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful)." Suhail said, "As for الرَّحْمَنِ 'ar-Rahman (Beneficent), by Allah, I do not know what it means. So write: بِاسْمِكَ اللهُمَّ 'Bismika Allahumma' (By Your Name O Allah)..." [al-Bukhari (2731) and Muslim (1784)]

In the treaty of Hudaibiyah
- when the prophet told Ali to write bismillah on the top of the page
- the kaafir said "who is Ar-Rahman, scratch it out, just put on the paper Allah”
- the kaafirs knew Allah even though they worshipped 360 idols in Ka’bah
- but for an important document, the kuffaar agreed to Allah
- they went back to Allah (One God)
- the one that was taught to them by Ibraheem and Ismael (AS)
- see 29:65

And when they embark on a ship, they invoke Allah, making their Faith pure for Him only, but when He brings them safely to land, behold, they give a share of their worship to others. (Al-'Ankabut 29:65)

- the pagans in the boat called on Allah Alone whilst in trouble
- they didn’t call upon lat, uzzah, hubal and manat
- they turned to their fitrah (natural disposition)
- they knew a piece of stone could not answer them
- they purified their dua and they called on Allah Alone
- calling on Allah Alone in worship is part of your fitrah
- it is fitrah to worship Allah alone
- fitrah makes you realize all branches on Tawheed

In Papua New Guinea
- they conquer their enemy and kill them and eat their skulls
- these people when they kill their enemies they eat them
- they believe by consuming the brains of others, will add the power of vanquished to theirs
- they are cannibals
- are you saying we can’t make them Mushriks, as the hujjah hasn’t reached them?
- if so then you have to give them all the rights of the Muslims
- please refer to importance of takfeer lecture by Shaikh Faisal

The grave worshippers don’t know that the first condition of shahadah is ILM (knowledge)
- these people who didn't hear about Islam
- they have a test
- according to their answers, they will get paradise or hell-fire

Ibn Taymiyyah said: "No one will be saved from the punishment of Allah other than those who make their deen and ibadaah peculiar to Allah and only make dua to Him. And whoever had not made an act of shirk against Him but has not made ibadaah to Him like Pharoah (firawun) and his likes will have remained behind from ibadaah. Those in this situation are in a worse state than the mushrik. Ibadaah solely to Allah is essential. As this is fard to everyone it is not lifted from anyone. This is general Islam which Allah accepts none other as deen. However Allah will not punish anyone without sending an envoy. As He will not punish an individual as such, He will not permit any other than the Muslim Mu’min into jannah; just as He will not permit the mushrik and those who refrain from ibadaah (mustakbir) into jannah. Besides all this whoever the message had not reached in this world will be tested in the akhirah. Certainly, only will those who submit to the shaytan, will go to jahannam. Those who have not sinned will not enter jahannam. Allah will not punish anyone without sending an envoy. And those which the dawah had not reached, for instance a child, the insane, or someone who dies as ahl fatrah will all be tested (imtihan) in the akhirah. The nass (evidence) indicate this." [Majmua al-Fatawa (14/477)]

Al-Aswad bin Sari' reported that the Prophet (SAW) said, "There are four who will present their case on the Day of Resurrection: a deaf man who never heard anything, an insane man, a very old and senile man, and a man who died during the Fatrah. As for the deaf man, he will say, "O Lord, Islam came but I never heard anything." As for the insane man, he will say, "O Lord, Islam came and the young boys were throwing camel dung at me." As for the senile man, he will say, "O Lord, Islam came and I did not understand anything." As for the one who died during the Fatrah, he will say, "O Lord, no Messenger from You came to me." Allah will accept their pledge of obedience to Him, then He will send word to them that they should enter the Fire. By the One in Whose Hand is the soul of Muhammad, if they enter it, it will be cool and safe for them.” [Musnad Ahmad (4/24) No. 16344, Sahih Ibn Hibban (16/356) No. 7357, al-Mu'jam al-Kabir al-Tabarani (1/287) No. 841, al-I'tiqad al-Bayhaqi (pg. 169), Musnad Ishaq bin Rahwayh (1/122) No. 41]

What is the rule about these people who worship stones or eat people?
- those who worship the graves, say it's not worship
- the prophet said:

Yahya related to me from Malik from Zayd ibn Aslam from Ata ibn Yasar that the Messenger of Allah (SAW) said, "O Allah! Do not make my grave an idol that is worshipped. The anger on those who took the graves of their Prophets as places of prostration was terrible." [Muwatta Malik (1/223) No. 570, Musannaf Abdur Razzaq (1/406) No. 1587, Musnad Ahmad (2/246) No. 7352]

- that’s only for those who the message hasn’t reached
- but those who heard the message and still worship graves, are Mushriks
- and this life is their imtihaan (test)
- if they die on this they enter the hellfire forever
- saying that those whom the message did not reach are Muslims is erroneous

You ask them to bring you the evidence,
- that you cannot make takfeer on a man until the hujjah is established
- they will bring Al-Isra 17:15

Whoever goes right, then he goes right only for the benefit of his ownself. And whoever goes astray, then he goes astray to his own loss. No one laden with burdens can bear another's burden. And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning). (Al-Isra 17:15)

- they put a spin on the Ayah
- this ayah is talking about the people of Noah (Nuh)
- when they rejected the message, like the people of Ibrahim, Ad and Thamud

Ibn Taymiyyah stated: “When mentioning Huud (alayhi's-salam), he notifies what had been said to his tribe: “… ye do nothing but invent!” (Huud 11:50) Before passing Hukm of them with what they had opposed him with, he characterized them as slanderers. The reason for this was because they had taken on other deities besides Allah. Without doubt the attribute of Mushrik had been fixed before Risalah. Before such Risalah they had been making Shirk against their Rabb, they had been associating partners to Allah and they had taken on other deities and other nidds (*Nidds are things which represent that which is loved more than Allah; things which are made into measures. For a thing to be a nidd it does not have to be a special existence). This shows that these attributes have been fixed before Risalah. Just like the names Jahl and Jaahiliyyah. Likewise before the arrival of Rasulullah the era had been called Jaahiliyyah and those affiliated as Jahl. However punishment is not the same, because turning faces was only to run/escape from obedience. Just as the following Ayah: “But on the contrary, he rejected Truth and turned away!” (al-Qiyamah 75:32) And a situation as such is only possible with the arrival of the message.” [Majmu al-Fatawa, (20/37-38)]

Those who disbelieve from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and among Al-Mushrikun, were not going to leave (their disbelief) until there came to them clear evidence. (Al-Baiyinah 98:1)

- Allah said they will never abandon their shirk, until the hujjah is established against them
- Allah classified them as Mushrikeen, BEFORE the hujjah
- you recite the shahadah: La Ilaha ila Allah (nothing deserves to be worshipped except Allah)
- the first condition of shahadah is (Ilm) Knowledge

e.g. a man is punjabi, he says the shahadah, but he doesn’t know what it means
- if he doesn’t know what he is saying, he is a kaafir
- the first condition of shahadah is missing
- not even the father of Muhammad (SAW) was let off, he was not given the excuse of ignorance
- a Barelvi will never be given the excuse of ignorance
- do not lie and say; ‘the grave is not an idol’
- Allah said they are liars and kaafirs, all the grave worshippers, Goofy Soofis and Barelvis etc

Surely, the religion (i.e. the worship and the obedience) is for Allah only. And those who take Auliya' (protectors and helpers) besides Him (say): "We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allah." Verily, Allah will judge between them concerning that wherein they differ. Truly, Allah guides not him who is a liar, and a disbeliever. (Az-Zumar 39:3)

Why are they liars?
- because they recite Surah Fatihah at least 17 times a day, yet they worship the graves

You (Alone) we worship, and You (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything). (Al-Fatihah 1:5)

- Shias are also amongst the grave worshippers
- when you are seeking to make a kaafir; a Muslim, you are a zindeeq
- to worship Allah Alone, is that which is known by necessity
- it is known by the aql and fitrah (intellect and natural instinct)

And when they embark on a ship, they invoke Allah, making their Faith pure for Him only, but when He brings them safely to land, behold, they give a share of their worship to others. (Al-'Ankabut 29:65)

Abu Yusuf narrated from Imam Abu Hanifah: “Abu Hanifah stated: No servant (abd) has an excuse regarding knowledge of his Rabb due to ignorance. All creatures must know their Rabb and make Tawhid. The reason for this is that they see the created sky, the creation of themselves and all things Allah created. When it comes to the Fardh; regarding those who do not know them and related news had not reached them, means that evidence had not been stable as Hukm (i.e., an Ayah had not been revealed yet, or a Hadith had not been stated yet etc.).” [Badai’u's-Sanai, (7/132)]

- Abu Hanifah said here, you have no excuse
- so where did you get your evidence from?

The Christians introduced Trinity at the council of Nicaea in 325 AD
- Allah didn’t give the Christians the excuse of ignorance
- He pronounced them kuffaar
- those who died deifying Jesus (AS) after council of Nicaea
- Allah (SWT) made takfeer on the these Christians
- there is no excuse of ignorance if you worship a false deity
- See 5:72, 5:73 and 5:17

Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "Allah is the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary)." But the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allah, then Allah has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong doers) there are no helpers. (Al-Ma'idah 5:72)

Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allah is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no ilah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilah (God -Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them. (Al-Ma'idah 5:73)

Surely, in disbelief are they who say that Allah is the Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary). Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Who then has the least power against Allah, if He were to destroy the Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), his mother, and all those who are on the earth together?" And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them. He creates what He wills. And Allah is Able to do all things. (Al-Ma'idah 5:17)